Obama wins the snap poll.
From the CNN/OPR snap poll on the debate.
There was a strong Dem skew in the sample, (41 Dem, 27 Repub, no data on men/women,) but that's who watched, so you figure McCain won with men and lost bigger with women. (Angry John) Frankly, women probably watched at higher rates, and are really the battleground of this year's election, so the Obama folks would probably be happy with this result if it holds.
(Slightly losing men in the national security debate to McCain is probably pretty acceptable to them, too.)
Bottom line, I'll fall back to what I said last night. McCain needs to win voters through these debates, and it's my impression that he didn't.
Also, CBS has a snap poll, too. In theirs, Obama won undecideds 40/22. Again, McCain didn't pick up voters.
(Disclaimer. Snap polls frequently do not capture the impression of the debate two or three days later.)
Fifty-one percent of those polled thought Obama did the better job in Friday night's debate, while 38 percent said John McCain did better.
Men were nearly evenly split between the two candidates, with 46 percent giving the win to McCain and 43 percent to Obama. But women voters tended to give Obama higher marks, with 59 percent calling him the night's winner, while just 31 percent said McCain won.....
More than two-thirds of debate watchers agreed that both McCain and Obama would be able to handle the job of president if elected.
There was a strong Dem skew in the sample, (41 Dem, 27 Repub, no data on men/women,) but that's who watched, so you figure McCain won with men and lost bigger with women. (Angry John) Frankly, women probably watched at higher rates, and are really the battleground of this year's election, so the Obama folks would probably be happy with this result if it holds.
(Slightly losing men in the national security debate to McCain is probably pretty acceptable to them, too.)
Bottom line, I'll fall back to what I said last night. McCain needs to win voters through these debates, and it's my impression that he didn't.
Also, CBS has a snap poll, too. In theirs, Obama won undecideds 40/22. Again, McCain didn't pick up voters.
(Disclaimer. Snap polls frequently do not capture the impression of the debate two or three days later.)
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6:23 AM
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as I got up this morning and thought more about the debate...mccain's performance does not age well...grumpy and living in the past...I would have liked to see Obama make more direct hits back at blatant mccain lies but the upside is Obama retained composure and spoke to how we can correct what is happening. Mccain, in retrospect, seemed to spend most time talking abt reagan or parsing Obama's words and trying to create an issue where one isn't...
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Anonymous, at 7:26 AM
If past presidential debate coverage is any indication, I expect we'll be hearing a lot more about McCain being sarcastic and condescending. We'll hear how he never looked at Obama and how at times he came across as angry/agitated. And we'll hear this in comparison to how Obama was presidential, engaged McCain directly and respectfully.
These debates aren't about the issues, they're about the performance.
In this debate it was McCain who was the exasperated, condescending, overly dramatic eye-roller. For the undecideds this will be more important that whether or not McCain supported SDI (that was weird to bring up... another living in the past moment) or that McCain claims to know a lot about the former Soviet satellite states.
In short, McCain didn't come across as someone you'd want to have a beer with. Maybe Obama didn't either, but this was something McCain needed.... after all he's supposed to be the regular guy and Obama the elitist. In the end, McCain was that agitated, overly opinionated guy at the bar who's kind of in your space trying to convince you why you're an idiot for believing what you do and won't just let it go.
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-epm, at 8:20 AM
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-epm, at 8:20 AM
If I were President, things would be a bloody mess. I'm not looking for a President who is like me, or someone I would like to have a beer with.
I'm looking for a political animal who can get Congress to make some positive progress for the country.
That doesn't always lend itself to Democrat/Republican ideologies.
The best resolution to a problem might go against a persons political ideology. If a persons political ideology won't allow them to make the correct decisions for ALL the people of the country, they are not the leader we need.
Obama won the debate, and McCain really is a grumpy old man.
Yet Obama's plan is an age old big "D" Democratic plan, which might sustain our government, but won't help our government progress in a positive manner.
If we were talking true capitalism, the people responsible for this financial mess, should pay for it, and go under for such terrible business practices.
This will not be the first time socialism has had to step in to save capitalism.
It won't be the first time the American people have had to pay for the the greed of capitalists, just to have financial stability for ourselves.
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Unknown, at 9:19 AM
epm wrote:
In the end, McCain was that agitated, overly opinionated guy at the bar who's kind of in your space trying to convince you why you're an idiot for believing what you do and won't just let it go.
Great analogy.
You put your finger on what I was I reaching for all morning. Thanks for that.
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Todd Dugdale , at 11:44 AM
He's contentious and unstable. And he can't resist the 'maverick' stuff. You know he's itching to bomb Pakistan but if Obama suggests it...oh no...can't do that.
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Anonymous, at 12:15 PM
Just as a general response, Obama had more to lose by taking chances than staying cool and safe. They're winning, and the campaign thinks they're really winning, so they weren't going to take any risks last night. A tie was fine.
Second, I think the men/women gap in the polling pretty much summed up McCain's performance. He was harsh and a little hostile which polls better with men. However I would also add that men are more likely to vote on foreign policy, so that stance might not be as damaging as you might think. Two more debates to go.
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EPM, again, I come across with so much baggage against McCain, I can't judge his tone objectively. CNN had this focus group thing running (Ohio undecideds) and McCain didn't so well with Dem and independent when he got angry or condescending for whatever that's worth.
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Time, Broadly agreed, although I don't really see Obama tied to the left that hard at this point. The bigger question is how he'll be shaped versus Congress. Clinton, for instance, already had a power base in the Dem Congress. Obama will likely be more reliant on the leadership. How that shapes what he gets done?
As for the bailout, it sucks, but we have to do it in one form or another. I'd love to see these guys punished, too, but that's not worth the bigger cost.
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Anon, one of the more interesting things is how McCain feels compelled to assert an identity.
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mikevotes, at 1:55 PM
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