The supposed "dream ticket"
It's my opinion that all of this "Obama-Clinton/Clinton-Obama" joint ticket stuff is pure garbage.
(Briefly, I find it highly unlikely that Obama would want an extremely influential Clinton/Clinton team tinkering in his White House, and I find it difficult to believe that he would take the Clinton VP slot and accept that loss of control over his political future.)
So, why does Hillary Clinton keep throwing it about?
Really, it's pretty brilliant in that, within her context, it diminishes him as vice president material (about the worst thing you want to be called,) while at the same time delivering that slight in the frame of a unifying and complimentary message.
(I don't think he could get away with this the other way around, although I'm not really sure why. Would it be hot button because he would be appearing to diminish a woman?)
(Briefly, I find it highly unlikely that Obama would want an extremely influential Clinton/Clinton team tinkering in his White House, and I find it difficult to believe that he would take the Clinton VP slot and accept that loss of control over his political future.)
So, why does Hillary Clinton keep throwing it about?
Really, it's pretty brilliant in that, within her context, it diminishes him as vice president material (about the worst thing you want to be called,) while at the same time delivering that slight in the frame of a unifying and complimentary message.
(I don't think he could get away with this the other way around, although I'm not really sure why. Would it be hot button because he would be appearing to diminish a woman?)
posted by mikevotes at
7:44 AM
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It is a very cunning trick to get people talking about her as the froont-runner...She and her team are talented in being able to shape discussions and warp reality...Talents I guess I am suppossed to admire....
But I don't...not when used selfishly and narccistically like they do. I believe she would be doing it even if she was comfortably ahead...
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Anonymous, at 7:25 AM
Even though I have heard this (a Clinton/Obama ticket) mentioned by quite a few people, I just find it hard to imagine either one willing to take the VP position. I also understand why Obama wouldn't want Clinton in "his" White House.
Maybe she keeps bringing it up because she wants to piss him off - I don't know?
They could both use the VP office to get more experience, don't you think? Or do you think it would be just a "seat warmer" ? I know there are people (women, duh) who would resent putting Hillary in the #2 position but she could make something of the job and there is no reason why she would have to treat it as a negative role. To me it would be all about deciding whether or not I could contribute in the way I wanted or would being a Senator be a better position. I think Obama would be a decent boss.
It is all speculation but interesting to ponder. I think part of this is just the desire by people to have the fighting over. A combined ticket would make all this go away with them both getting part of the prize.
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Ptelea, at 9:26 AM
Anon, you have to admire it. They've rewritten a couple of amazing media lines this year.
I'm still most impressed by their ability to shift expectations around Mar. 4. After Wisconsin, the media mantra was they had to win both by 10+, but by the time it came around they were grated amazing victories for much less.
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Ptelea, She brings it up because it works for her.
And, I don't know about the VP's. I think they both need to get somebody who brings something to the ticket.
Obama obviously needs someone seasoned and viewed as a wise old man. (Not trying to draw a direct analogy, but similar to what Cheney brought Bush.)
Clinton I think would be more likely to pull a swing state governor, somebody who could deliver a key state. I think that fits her more traditional map needs better. (Something like a Democratic equivalent of Tom Ridge. Serious, key state, etc., but not flashy enough to overshadow her.)
As for Clinton wanting to be VP, I dunno. I would think it would be more to her taste to go after Senate Majority Leader. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see her accepting a role in the "new kids" Obama White House (unless they clearly chopped an area out for her. As an unlikely example, healthcare.)
And, the "unity" thing is why this is such a good lever for Clinton. She gets to try and play coming together while at the same time equating Obama to Dan Quayle.
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mikevotes, at 1:55 PM
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