To bomb or not to bomb Iran
Steve Clemons has a Salon article (you may have to watch the ad,) arguing that President Bush will not launch a first strike against Iran (although he tends to wiggle a little when talking about the possibility of a pretext/provocation.)
If you're tracking this debate it's an interesting read, but I would like to add one more thought: Every argument for bombing presupposes that such an attack would cease all possibility of an Iranian nuclear program.
What happens in ten more years? The Iranians will still retain their expertise and could rebuild their program. Do we bomb them every 5 years? Have we just created a hair trigger nuclear enemy a decade down the line?
If you're tracking this debate it's an interesting read, but I would like to add one more thought: Every argument for bombing presupposes that such an attack would cease all possibility of an Iranian nuclear program.
What happens in ten more years? The Iranians will still retain their expertise and could rebuild their program. Do we bomb them every 5 years? Have we just created a hair trigger nuclear enemy a decade down the line?
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1:38 PM
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Some retired Army/Diplomatic types wargamed the senario last year,with similarly sobering conclusions.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200412/fallows
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Squamous, at 2:03 PM
Yeah, I left out all the immediate reasons for not bombing, and there are tons.
I just hadn't seen anyone mention the temporary nature of a bombing solution.
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mikevotes, at 2:09 PM
I don't think the people who plan these things think very far ahead. The objective is to do as much damage as possible to Iran's infrastructure, maybe start some kind of civil insurrection then wait for the dust to settle and take it from there.
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Anonymous, at 5:39 PM
We tried this in Iraq, and now the current myth is that the stuff was moved to Syria. Any wagers that the nuclear material in Iran will be 'moved' to another country in need of 'liberation'?
In reality, the pretexts of any strikes on Iran are the least problem. If Iran responds with terrorism, then it 'proves' Bush's case for the continued occupation of Iraq, and his security state laws. I think in Republican calculus, a terror attack on the U.S. would be considered a 'plus'.
It's good that people are starting to look ahead on this, because we can't count on the Administration to do it.
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Todd Dugdale, at 6:40 PM
Anon, I don't think the Cheney group believes in democracy promotion, but I would wager they do believe in covert op coups and such.
(Of course, it's that kind of thinking that made Iran hate us in the first place, eh?)
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Todd, I might argue about the Republican calculus. I see your point that the White House would play it for advantage, but it would also undermine the "not been attacked since 9/11," the one thing many people credit this administration with.
And, yeah, a pretext is easily manufactured, and the US has been doing it since the Mexican American war.
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mikevotes, at 9:15 PM
The real wild card in a Syria/Iran campaign is going to be how Turkey reacts. Not only is Turkey pissed that Israel flew over their airspace on their last little bombing run, but the public opinion of the U.S. has hit a deep low. Turkey might see an expanded war as an opportunity to invade Kurdistan, or even engage Israeli bombers passing through their territory.
As for Republican calculus, all I would add is that you have to look at how an issue will play with the base, not with the public. Bush abandoned the public years ago.
In Iraq, more casualties mean the enemy is desperate, less casualties mean we are winning. Good or bad news spins well for the base.
And, good point on the covert ops. People forget that we overthrew their government and replaced it with a puppet dictator (Shah).
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Todd Dugdale, at 10:40 PM
The “Why Would the U.S. Attack Iran” website - http://www.whyattackiran.com/ - has been updated to represent the current government.
There is not the slightest actual evidence that the Iranian nuclear program has anything to do with creating nuclear weapons [1] and even if it did have a weapons program it would pose no threat to the United States [2]. Nevertheless, the United States has been constantly and deliberately misrepresenting these realities [3] in order to create the false impression that there is some valid reason for us to attack Iran.
So why is the political leadership of the United States falsifying evidence to justify a war against Iran, a war that would make the current war in Iraq look like a cakewalk [4]?
“… it's the threat against Israel,”[5]
Although the vast majority of Americans are opposed to a U.S. attack on Iran [6] – a fact that has been a problem for many leaders of the Israel Lobby [7] – roughly 71% of Israelis actively support the idea of the U.S. attacking Iran [8]. The “Why Would the U.S. Attack Iran?” website - http://www.whyattackiran.com/ - shows this in detail, illustrating the current leadership (President, Vice-President, Secretary of State, Senate Majority Leader, Senate Minority Leader, Speaker of the House, House Majority Leader, and House Minority Leader) standing before AIPAC [9] declaring their willingness to go to war against Iran on behalf of Israel. Further, recent news stories – primarily from pro-Israel sources – are listed on the left side of the site clearly illustrating the issue. There is no mystery or conspiracy about the fact that the pro-Israel lobby is leading the charge for war on Iran, it is all quite out in the open and freely admitted.
To learn more about the push for war against Iran and why, please visit the “Why Would the U.S. Attack Iran?” website at: http://www.whyattackiran.com/ If you find it useful, please be sure to pass it along to others.
Notes:
[1] Mark Heinrich, "Western talk of Iran war premature 'hype': IAEA head," Reuters, 17 September 2007, http://ca.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2007-09-17T151816Z_01_L17903337_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-NUCLEAR-IAEA-COL.XML
[2] Robert Burns, "Abizaid: World could abide nuclear Iran," Associated Press, 17 September 2007, http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070918/ap_on_go_ot/abizaid_iran;_ylt=AoPcm9.sCbgOW.nDG7s0XqQDW7oF
[3] BBC Staff, "US Iran report branded dishonest," BBC News, 14 September 2007, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5346524.stm
[4] Paul Rogers, "Iran: Consequences of a War," Oxford Research Group, February 2006,
http://www.oxfordresearchgroup.org.uk/publications/briefing_papers/iranconsequences.php
[5] Quote given in context of Iraq, not Iran, but holds true in both cases. Philip Zelikow, former member of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board and executive director of the 9/11 Commission. Statement made at the University of Virginia on Sep. 10, 2002 http://ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=23083
[6] For a collection of recent polls, see: PollingReport.Com http://www.pollingreport.com/iran.htm
[7] James D. Besser, "Jewish Leaders Caught In Iran Bind," The Jewish Week, 31 August 2007, http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=14460
[8] Aluf Benn, "Poll: 71% of Israelis want the U.S. to strike Iran if talks fail," Ha'aretz, 18 May 2007, http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/860903.html
[9] AIPAC, The American Israel Public Affairs Committee, http://www.aipac.org/
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