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Sunday, February 18, 2007

Politics '08

I found the NYTimes "frontrunner" articles pretty interesting on Clinton and McCain, but I think the "don't miss it" article is in the LATimes,
Old enemies of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton are out in force. Just weeks after she joined the Democratic Party's flock of presidential contenders, Clinton is being targeted by conservative and Republican-allied activists intent on derailing her campaign before the start of next year's primaries.

They have surfaced with a flurry of planned projects: a Michael Moore-style documentary film, book-length exposes, and websites such as StopHerNow.comand StopHillaryPAC.com.

Conservative admirers of the Swift Vets and POWs for Truth media blitz that helped torpedo Democratic Sen. John F. Kerry's presidential candidacy in 2004 are now agitating to "Swift-boat" Clinton.

Update: Clinton urges start of Iraq pullout in 90 days.


  • The question is, will the "vast right wing conspiracy" overreach? Did they shoot their wad -- and were they exposed to be the frauds they are -- in the 04 campaign?

    Or, are they that skilled at propaganda... and are the vast majority of Americans that disinterested in the truth.

    By Blogger -epm, at 7:51 AM  

  • Good. get Clinton out of the race so the Democrats can focus on real candidates, who are actually with the people, not the corpocracy.
    Then there's always the case this will backfire and cause more fence sitters to rally behind Clinton.

    By Blogger Lew Scannon, at 10:28 AM  

  • Please, Hilary - just go be a senator, or whatever. Don't clog up this process of setting right the hideous mess the current administration is perpetrating. You, like Ralph Nader and Ross Perot, have the right to run, of course, but you're not helping. People will be arguing over whether you're a good candidate or not, when they should be arguing over climate change, the declining middle class, foreign policy, and punishment for the criminals currently in charge.

    People think they know you, and have already made up their minds about you. You won't change that with any amount of campaigning.

    Throw your support behind some Democrat who can win without dividing the country. Push the universal health care idea. We love that, and we love you. But don't run.

    By Anonymous local insurgent, at 11:34 AM  

  • EPM - I was amazed at the term "admirers of the Swift Boat Vets."

    The only reason it worked once was that the media played along and treated it as a balanced "controversy."

    The key on the swift boat stuff is the level of creedence it's given in the media.


    Lew, I've been struggling to find the language to describe the "Pepsi-like nature" of Hillary Clinton to the current foreign policy Coke.

    Let me say, I definitely prefer Pepsi, and I think her domestic agenda would be better, but if you heard her at the AIPAC conference, she's not using any substantially different language.

    There is the "troops out by '09," but I wonder how much of that is her genuine take on the region and how much is it a position.


    Local, On the other hand, if she does run in the primary and loses, the GOP will waste a year prepping the slime machine against her.

    (And, really, how much more dirt can there be after the Kenneth Starr rectal scope.)


    Last, It's funny, everytime I put up a post discussing Clinton, it always generates comments against, but I don't think I've ever gotten anything more than a tepid "she's not too bad" on the other side.

    Maybe it's me, maybe it's y'all, but I do find that very interesting.


    By Blogger mikevotes, at 1:46 PM  

  • On the other hand, if she does run in the primary and loses, the GOP will waste a year prepping the slime machine against her.

    This is what I'm hoping for. With so many credible Dem candidates, all starting so early, I'm hoping the bank accounts of the smear machinery are simply bled to the point of anemia by the spring/summer '08

    By Blogger -epm, at 2:15 PM  

  • And such an obvious lack of enthusiasm for her among most dedicated primary voting Dems.

    There are a number of deep pocketed folks who are willing to pay a whole lot to keep the current dirty industry policies, and the problem is, these campaigns are relatively cheap if they're conducted right.

    The idea is to guerilla market alot of these charges, making the claim and then getting them amplified by the national media.

    The Swift Boat thing started with something like $30,000 in seed money.

    But the books and other stuff do take a little more time.


    By Blogger mikevotes, at 2:28 PM  

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