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Tuesday, June 27, 2006

Ramadi

There's a really interesting NYTimes piece this morning on the US siege of Ramadi and the use of Iraqi troops in the current version of "clear and hold."
Instead of leaving after the shooting stops — as the Americans have been forced to do in other Iraqi cities — the Americans plan to leave behind garrisons of American and Iraqi troops at various points throughout the city. For the first time, they say, they believe they have the manpower to make the strategy work. .....

Lt. Col. Raad Niaf Haroosh, the Iraqi battalion commander, said the 145 soldiers represented a fraction of the battalion's usual numbers. He said as many as 500 of his fellow soldiers — most of them Sunni Muslims from Al Jabouri tribe — stayed behind in Mosul rather than fight in Ramadi.....


He said many of the Iraqi soldiers who stayed behind feared they would create tribal vendettas if they came to Ramadi and killed other Iraqis.

"They said, 'We don't want fight our own people,' " he said....

Two Iraqi divisions are now in Anbar — with many of their units operating at about 60 percent of their planned strength — putting their numbers somewhere near 12,000.....

One thing that seemed clear on Monday was that however small the numbers of Iraqi soldiers were, their presence was far more palatable to local residents than that of the Americans.


So, there does appear to be some capable Iraqi military presence in Ramadi, however about half of those forces have refused to fight against their factional brethren which doesn't bode well.

Assuming that these Iraqi forces are rated at level two (able to fight with US support,) the 12,000 strong presence in Ramadi, plus the 8,000 who refused to come to Ramadi, represent about a third of all Iraqi troops the US has rated at level 2.

(Please note that one third of the troops rated as "combat ready" refused to serve in this operation which I think raises more significant doubts about the current combat capabilities rating system. Link: Latest details on the ratings and readiness of Iraqi troops.)

7 Comments:

  • So exactly who is in charge? To the extent there is a strategy at all, who's forming that strategy? Clearly not the Iraqi government, nor the Iraqi military.

    It's obvious we need to stay the course. If we were to leave now there simply wouldn't be enough troops to fight this civil war. Think of the horror. Iraqi's resolving their own conflict and possibly coming to peace... without an American puppet master! Good God man... are you mad.

    Better to bleed an ocean of blood in a "war" we control, than secure a peace where there's nothing in it ($$) for us. God Bless America!

    By Blogger -epm, at 9:25 AM  

  • Bush has himself a tar-baby.

    He'll desperately want to "draw-down" troop levels for the mid-terms while the ineptitude of the Iraqi government and the expertise of the insurgents will continue to prevent draw-down. And Bush is just stupid enough to see the cause as his calling, resulting in self-immolation on the pyre of Iraq. Hopefully he'll take most of the GOP with him, while sparing the rest of us. All he has to do is ask Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon.

    This is all so freakin' familiar as to be scary. Seeing history repeat itself so thoroughly in such a short time span is discouraging. But because we didn't kill the GOP monster of Nixon, here it is again. And because there are young people all over the country learning at the neocon knees, we'll have it again unless Bush is thoroughly repudiated in some tangible way. I just hope that correction can occur without destroying the fabric of the country.

    By Blogger Greyhair, at 11:48 AM  

  • EPM, in Ramadi, the troops are classed as level two which means unable to operate independently, so it's all us. Basically we're leaving behind little guard shacks with Iraqis in them. And, I think the question on withdrawal becomes, just what sort of Iraqi army will be required. I mean, we have 135,000 in Iraq, and about 50,000 MARINES in Anbar, and we still aren't controlling it/there are still areas in Ramadi and Mosul that are no go areas for US MARINES. How many Iraqi troops at what level of training will be required to replace that and win?

    And Greyhair, yeah. "self-immolation on the pyre of Iraq" That's beautiful.

    As for history repeating, have you noticed the reappearance of versions of the word "Iraqi-ization?" The problem for Bush, dead similar to Vietnam, is that he's put him in a situation where he can't escalate, and if he loses, the US loses alot of it's teeth in world affairs.(if they haven't already.) The mistake was wrong war, wrong place, wrong time, WRONG PLAN.

    Imagine the impact it would've had on the world if in Dec. 2001 in Tora Bora the US had killed/captured Bin Laden and Zawahiri. The "don't mess with America" message would've rung around thwe world.

    Mike

    By Blogger mikevotes, at 1:13 PM  

  • Yep

    By Blogger Greyhair, at 1:25 PM  

  • I'm probably going a little too far into the Iraq troop readiness stuff right now, but I think it's absolutely key no matter what path the US chooses going forward.

    Mike

    By Blogger mikevotes, at 2:18 PM  

  • I think, perhaps, the problem with Iraqi troops is not so much training is desire... How do you train Iraqi's to want to follow Bush's strategy as much as American generals do?

    And maybe that's it... The Iraqi troops haven't bought into the whole Bushian "vision" of the New Iraqi Order. Perhaps they need to feel more ownership of the situation, more self determination and less foreign direction. Perhaps a revised strategy and a redeployment under a new mission for the American troops... Hmmm.

    (You can almost hear the Deliverance branch of the Republican Congress shouting "BLASPHEMER!" at the very suggestion of thoughtful debate and self examination.)

    By Blogger -epm, at 3:22 PM  

  • That's a REALLY good point that I haven't seen much anywhere.

    The US is asking Iraqis to fight for the government we more or less put in charge and are propping up.

    Would I fight for an occupier?

    By Blogger mikevotes, at 4:03 PM  

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