The false 9-11 argument on the NSA database
Watching Hardball tonight, and Chris Matthews kept asking this question, "If before 9-11 the NSA had used this information to break up 9-11, wouldn't this be OK?"
Look, the issue here is the government gathering this information without a warrant. The phone companies are required by law to keep these call details. This information would be readily available through a warrant, either FISA or a regular warrant if officials deemed it necessary.
The argument is not about whether the government should have access to this information, it already does through an established judicial process; it is an argument about whether the government should have permanent possession of this information without any oversight, judicial or otherwise.
The "what if it stopped 9-11?" question is merely a red herring designed to question the commitment of those who disagree with this overreaching program.
(Sometimes you get so angry you type a post just using your middle fingers!!!!)
Look, the issue here is the government gathering this information without a warrant. The phone companies are required by law to keep these call details. This information would be readily available through a warrant, either FISA or a regular warrant if officials deemed it necessary.
The argument is not about whether the government should have access to this information, it already does through an established judicial process; it is an argument about whether the government should have permanent possession of this information without any oversight, judicial or otherwise.
The "what if it stopped 9-11?" question is merely a red herring designed to question the commitment of those who disagree with this overreaching program.
(Sometimes you get so angry you type a post just using your middle fingers!!!!)
posted by mikevotes at
6:17 PM
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I'm so tired of 9/11 being used as an excuse for every Constitutional violation of the Bush administration. And everytime they do, which is quite frequently, it feeds the conspiracist(?) in me that believes they were behind it.
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Lew Scannon, at 9:57 PM
Until they tell me who sold short the airline shares in such volume I will continue to believe that there was at least foreknowledge somewhere in the intel stream.
Allegedly, the investigation hit a deadend, but the US has tracked Bin Laden's finances all over the world, broke up drug money laundering schemes, etc, etc, and you're telling me that we can't track down someone who placed millions of dollars of short sales against the airlines when you're given a starting point of the brokerage that handled the deal?
The options were never claimed, but I find it impossible to conceive of a scenario where the US doesn't get full cooperation from any bank or brokerage house in the world. So, no numbered accounts would hide it.
Until that is resolved, which it apparently won't be, I will never believe that we have gotten the full story.
Mike
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mikevotes, at 10:08 PM
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