A statement of my understanding
It is my opinion that the superdelegates will not, under any reasonable circumstances, overturn the pledged delegate lead. I don't see how it happens, and here's why.
Voting for the pledged delegate leader (Obama) is the "neutral" position. It is the simplest defensible direction to go, and the blowback from that safe decision would be far less.
What the Clinton supporters/defenders are asking is that superdelegates take the less defensible position, the decision far more likely to draw significant blowback from their constituencies, all on semantic arguments. Semantic arguments they would then have to try and explain, many of them in an election year.
The one main remaining hope among the Clinton camp is that somehow they can craft an argument that they've won the popular vote, and that that should outweigh a pledged delegate lead in the eyes of the superdelegates, but even that's not a clean presentation as it would likely require the inclusion of Florida and Michigan.
(Frankly, I don't even believe that winning the popular vote would be enough unless it's a huge gap. At best it's going to muddy the waters. We're still in a situation where you're asking superdelegates to go on the record, before their constituencies, to reject the candidate with the stronger argument, and I just don't see that happening.)
You have to understand that the Democratic party extends beyond Hillary Clinton. These superdelegates are tasked not only with picking a nominee, but also acting in the best interests of the broader party hopes. You're asking them not only to risk themselves, but to risk a party schism that could cost downticket elections, congressional seats, governor's seats, local races.
Do you really think that these "party elders" are going to step away from the "safe" decision, the "neutral" decision, just to help out Hillary Clinton? Are they going to risk squandering the likely Democratic advantages of this year just so she is the nominee? Is the difference between the two candidates so great as to justify all of that risk?
You can build whatever contorted electability arguments you want. You can write whatever ugly arguments you want in the comments,
But I believe that you're asking too much of them out of your own hopes and emotions. Short of a massive Obama scandal, the superdelegates are not going to overturn the pledged delegate lead.
This is where I am.
Voting for the pledged delegate leader (Obama) is the "neutral" position. It is the simplest defensible direction to go, and the blowback from that safe decision would be far less.
What the Clinton supporters/defenders are asking is that superdelegates take the less defensible position, the decision far more likely to draw significant blowback from their constituencies, all on semantic arguments. Semantic arguments they would then have to try and explain, many of them in an election year.
The one main remaining hope among the Clinton camp is that somehow they can craft an argument that they've won the popular vote, and that that should outweigh a pledged delegate lead in the eyes of the superdelegates, but even that's not a clean presentation as it would likely require the inclusion of Florida and Michigan.
(Frankly, I don't even believe that winning the popular vote would be enough unless it's a huge gap. At best it's going to muddy the waters. We're still in a situation where you're asking superdelegates to go on the record, before their constituencies, to reject the candidate with the stronger argument, and I just don't see that happening.)
You have to understand that the Democratic party extends beyond Hillary Clinton. These superdelegates are tasked not only with picking a nominee, but also acting in the best interests of the broader party hopes. You're asking them not only to risk themselves, but to risk a party schism that could cost downticket elections, congressional seats, governor's seats, local races.
Do you really think that these "party elders" are going to step away from the "safe" decision, the "neutral" decision, just to help out Hillary Clinton? Are they going to risk squandering the likely Democratic advantages of this year just so she is the nominee? Is the difference between the two candidates so great as to justify all of that risk?
You can build whatever contorted electability arguments you want. You can write whatever ugly arguments you want in the comments,
And about the "they won't vote for the black guy" argument--it ain't pretty, but it has substantial basis in fact. Democrats who care about winning in November need to consider it....
But I believe that you're asking too much of them out of your own hopes and emotions. Short of a massive Obama scandal, the superdelegates are not going to overturn the pledged delegate lead.
This is where I am.
3 Comments:
great comment. Very defensible and pragmatic.
The "won't vote for a black guy" meme is so like the "wait till the gop starts their PR" rant. I am so tired of fear and "be afraid so do this instead" line of constant bleating by all sides...
I just want to be proud of a president...my first election in voted in was Carter beats Ford and I can say I haven't been any too proud as of yet...I vote Carter but have been siding with the losers or indies since...not that I'm ashamed of saying that...
I want to be hopeful and I want my kids (13 and 10) to see some amazing things happen in the next 8 years...
But I see a nuclear sub just went through the suez canal and is on its way to the persian gulf and some brass saying today the green zone strikes were iranian-backed...more sabre rattling and not the buffalo sabres either....
By Anonymous, at 7:47 PM
I agree. Clinton is squandering the party future for the sake of her own vanity.
By Lew Scannon, at 8:19 PM
Anon, I agree.
The Dems cannot be afraid of what might come. They cannot sit and quiver. That's why Kerry lost. To some degree, that's why Gore lost. A fearful defensive crouch.
It creates an impression in the electorate that goes into the meta. It creates the image of weak and wimpy Democrats. It is a losing strategy.
You have no fear, and fight as hard as you can. 2008 is as good an environment as the Dems are ever going to get against McCain, a candidate whose flaws will become more manifest under the light. (If we ever get out of the primary.)
If the Dems are afraid this year, they might as well pack it in.
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Lew, I'm a little hesitant of going too far down the "damaging the party" route.
I think it would be better for strategic and money reasons if the Dems had a nominee, but that's a step back from where you are.
By mikevotes, at 9:44 PM
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