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Born at the Crest of the Empire

Friday, November 04, 2005

Quote of the day

From an AP article on the AP/Ipsos poll.

Four in five Republicans still back the president.

"I think he's done a wonderful job," said Gloria Bloecher, a Republican from Sherman, Texas. "He's done wonderful things for the economy. He rescued people who needed help in Iraq — it was the Christian thing to do. I still trust his people and the people he picks for the Supreme Court."

So many, many things wrong here. But, if I get one question, I'd ask Ms. Bloecher , "Can you describe to me exactly how the Iraq war was the 'Christian thing to do?'" Okay, two questions: "Can you show me in the bible exactly where Jesus supports shock and awe bombing, or secret gulags, or....?" I don't even know how to continue.

But needless to say, Bush still polls very well among the delusional Christian demographic. It's his base after all.


  • From those that I work with and talk to on a daily basis all feel that Iraq was worthwhile. The biggest problem I have with their reasons though is how it has shifted in the last two years. At first it was WMD's and Al Qaeda connections. Then it flipped into a humanitarian mission when the previous two reasons failed. Now it's a Xtian mission of mercy. I have grown up with people that have that uncritical view of anything that they are told. The main problem is that they need a highly structured and directed reality and have very few skills to cope with change. That also makes them fearful. You aren't going to be able to change that at all. That's the really scary part for thinking minority of the population.

    By Blogger Tele, at 7:44 AM  

  • Matt, if I read the second half of your comment right, I think you hit on something pretty big.

    I also have to draw on a personal belief that a certain portion of those down in the ranks of the Christian Right are there because they are comforted by the certainty of the structure.

    One of the reasons they are drawn to the social structure of their church and ideology is that they feel comfort in the hierarchical certainty of it and in the black and white moral certainty it affords.

    And, in that, I think that you are right, that a certain percentage will practically never separate from this structure because it would endanger their self identity.

    I think this is somewhat in the vein of what you are saying, Matt. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    By Blogger mikevotes, at 8:35 AM  

  • Exactly Mike, without the group and it's constant reinforcement of the identity that they have adopted, one not constructed by a reflective personal dialectic, they fall into a void. That fear of disconnect and insecurity keeps them in the group and by consequence eliminates reflective, critical thinking. I know why people believe what they do but understanding how that cognitive dissonance is manipulated by the Right is only becoming known at this time.

    By Blogger Tele, at 9:21 AM  

  • I think you've really come to something here. It explains several questions I've had for awhile.

    1. How can the Christian vote be so mobilized and unified in supporting and defending policies that go against the basic tenets of the group? Again, how does a Christian defend torture? But they do.

    2. How can this group vote against their own interest? I know a guy who has gone bankrupt, has no healthcare, and has had a heart attack and two strokes. He is currently borrowing from his son, who can't afford it, to get by. And yet when I asked him, he was avidly pro bush because, "he was a moral man."

    3. How can such a dominant majority religion like Christianity perceive itself to be under seige? I think what we're getting at here is that their perception of being under seige from us "secular humanists" is actually a manifestation of the threat of intellectual liberalism dislodging their world view.

    I was never satisfied with the "they're just stupid" analysis. Down here in Texas, there are a lot of intelligent, normally well reasoned people who vote/support this bloc. And yet, under questioning, even when their logical arguments break down, they maintain the pro bush, pro war, anti gay marriage line.

    These people may act illogically, but they certainly aren't all just stupid.

    Thanks for this back and forth, this has been really good for me.


    By Blogger mikevotes, at 10:04 AM  

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